[DEBATE] Is KGR Really a Waste of Time?

DeadJoe said:

Do you see how keyword research tools will say that a keyword is super easy to rank? but then you analyze it manually and viola! it is NOT as easy as you thought it was! the tool is using some sort of automated formula, and you should know by now that nothing in SEO can be automated.

In a nutshell, KGR is basically a way to find sweet long-tail keywords that are not being targetted by other websites. Hence the search volume / allintitle < 25% formula.

Use your brain, if you have a KGR keyword and you look at the front page and it is showing all e-commerce sites for that product, then you know that is what people are looking for, google is showing them shopping results because it is in line with the search intent of the user, unless you also have an e-commerce site, move on. If you see search results showing highly RELEVANT pages, or pages answering the search query, even if they are NOT targetting that keyword, then again use your brain and move on.

What you need to do is look at the SERP results and see weak sites or even strong sites that are not providing an answer that is relative to the search term. When you get a keyword like that then you know it is something you can target. This is the case with any KGR or Non-KGR keyword.

Use intuition for search intent, and then analyze the results.

Another thing, always check page 2. Do you see a bunch of websites targetting that keyword or synonym terms? If so then again look further and then make your call.

Conclusion: KGR is an awesome way to short-list keywords with high potential. Don't be a moron, analyze the Search Intent, appearance of synonym terms and then shortlist keywords that you can target.

just my 2 cents!

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MrWhite2018 said:

I was wondering about this thank you. Do you know of a good guide here on BHW that shows you what types of signals to watch out for ie all of the red alerts like DA being too high and what types of sites to avoid trying to outrank. That would be really helpful I just purchased a good keyword research guide from here which I???m yet to properly read.

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DeadJoe said:

Hey buddy, I'm no expert, I like going for the low hanging fruit so just the easier stuff.

I read this a few years ago: https://www.nichepursuits.com/keyword-research/ along with many other guides and bits and pieces here and there on the forum and on other blogs.

KW research is super hard, I am not good at finding a lot of keywords but I can tell if a KW is easy or not. If you're building out a large content site then just do your best with keywords, try to use ahrefs and target keywords with low search volume: KD b/w 0 and 1 to get an initial boost. Once you start getting some traffic and revenue you can go after the bigger ones. Well, that's just my thought process, you can probably find better answers/ways by reading the forum and talking to more experienced people!

Good luck.

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Shaunm said:

You suggest that you use allintitle "when determining whether or not a keyword is worth targeting based on its competition levels", that's why I was curious to see your analytics as you make it sound like its working for you. I was curious to see your growth for your site as you don't actually say you have no successful projects using the method in your post on the other forum. In my experience, especially after the 4th May Google update last month, allintitle and KGR are essentially useless these days, they have had the flaws I point out in the video above for a year or two now but they took another hit last month.

From what I am seeing in the SERPs after the update last month, YouTube, Reddit, Quora, Amazon, and Pinterest have been given a ton of additional weight pushing them higher in the SERPs and taking the tops spots for tons of keywords. As you can probably guess, the majority of the posts on sites like Reddit and Quora for informational keywords are general threads and don't actually target the specific keyword so will likley not have the keyword in their title. When it comes to the buyer intent keywords, Amazon is currently just having their highest upvoted, long-form reviews ranked and again, don't have the keyword in their title either. This basically adds another nail into the coffin of allintitle and KGR.

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Ezy501 said:

I read that thread on here about that guy that can???t make money of 200k visitors he got in 4 months of KGR. As a noob I was thinking ???yes I finally found that magic tricks.
And then I found your YT channel and binged a ton of videos. I follow your logic but I was disappointed that KGR might be all hype.
I don???t know now what works and am back to square one but I???m testing your zero method.
I???m glad I only did KGR for two days before I found your thread and channel.

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DeadJoe said:

Do you see how keyword research tools will say that a keyword is super easy to rank? but then you analyze it manually and viola! it is NOT as easy as you thought it was! the tool is using some sort of automated formula, and you should know by now that nothing in SEO can be automated.

In a nutshell, KGR is basically a way to find sweet long-tail keywords that are not being targetted by other websites. Hence the search volume / allintitle < 25% formula.

Use your brain, if you have a KGR keyword and you look at the front page and it is showing all e-commerce sites for that product, then you know that is what people are looking for, google is showing them shopping results because it is in line with the search intent of the user, unless you also have an e-commerce site, move on. If you see search results showing highly RELEVANT pages, or pages answering the search query, even if they are NOT targetting that keyword, then again use your brain and move on.

What you need to do is look at the SERP results and see weak sites or even strong sites that are not providing an answer that is relative to the search term. When you get a keyword like that then you know it is something you can target. This is the case with any KGR or Non-KGR keyword.

Use intuition for search intent, and then analyze the results.

Another thing, always check page 2. Do you see a bunch of websites targetting that keyword or synonym terms? If so then again look further and then make your call.

Conclusion: KGR is an awesome way to short-list keywords with high potential. Don't be a moron, analyze the Search Intent, appearance of synonym terms and then shortlist keywords that you can target.

just my 2 cents!

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irishengteacher said:

The results are interesting, for my Google Serps KGR is working perfectly for just 1 article.

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irishengteacher said:

Interesting thread, I'll read all of it when I have more time, but just want to post my own KGR results from my journey.

I'm focusing on KGR as my site is non-English and so it is a lot easier to find good KGR keywords.

After not adding content for 18 months, my blog had 20 posts on June 1st, I have since added 15 KGR posts.

The results are interesting, for my Google Serps KGR is working perfectly for just 1 article, I posted it July 22nd for 140ms and I'm now ranking 4th and getting traffic. But that's it. ( Sorry I checked again and one other article is 5th, but no traffic yet, 220ms, allegedly) .The other articles are not ranking at all or are around 20th-30th.

However on Bing, it is working EXACTLY as you would dream of it. Almost all of my new 15 articles are in the top 10.

However this is Bing, so I am getting 0 traffic from it.

I have a bunch more KGR keywords so just going to keep plugging away writing and adding them.

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dlyhai said:

How to monetize for non-english websites? thanks

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irishengteacher said:

Looking at my Google SERP results again, as I said I have 2 KGR articles ranking not 1, but only getting traffic from 1. Both those articles contain my overall website keyword, let's say 'golf equipment', all the other articles I wrote have quite tenuous links to 'golf equipment'. So it might help that the KGR keyword has huge relevance to my site.

Another annoying thing is I have 2 articles, let's say "golf equipment low budget' and 'golf equipment medium budget', when I put 'golf equipment medium budget' into serprobot it is ranking 'golf equipment low budget' around position 70-90 and is not picking up my 'golf equipment medium budget' article at all.

Is there anything I can do about that? Just wait and hope google realises I have another article targetting that exact long tail?

Actually, I think I just realised why. I have 'golf equipment medium budget' in a different category with very few articles, and these articles get very little traffic.

Would that be the reason?

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irishengteacher said:

Is there anything I can do about that? Just wait and hope google realises I have another article targetting that exact long tail?

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